Curse

Hella Good · Sep 28, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

Double posting 4tw! You gotta love the lag on this server.

Hella Good · Sep 28, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

I'm disappointed by this skill. I wanted a good new fighter hate hex and instead we got this- a prolonged Backfire on adrenal skills, which tho does less damage than BF does per trigger. And then the number of spells versus the number of adrenal skillls... lets just say that 5 professions use spells- Eles, Necros, Mesmers, Ritualists, and Dervishes; while only 2 prof use adrenal skills- Warriors and Paragons. If the skill triggered on attack skill, Rangers, Sins, and Dervishes will be included in the count. Such a skill will be a wonderful fighter hate- Domination fighter hate, as opposed to Illusion; equally as effective, viable, and deadly. I'd take such a skill even if it's duration was reduced to 15s at 16 Domi. I'm not going to bother bilding so niche tho with the current version.

Siddious · Sep 28, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

Visions of Regret:
For 5..17 seconds, target foe takes 30...102 damage whenever that foe uses an attack skill.

No, you would most definately have to reduce the damage on this to make it around about twice as powerful as Empathy, but equally so, the damage would occur half as often. At least this way, "weakness" may play a slightly more important role.

Agreed. If they changed it to this it would be way overpowered. I personally think this skill is fine the way it is...

Hella Good · Sep 28, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Siddious

Agreed. If they changed it to this it would be way overpowered. I personally think this skill is fine the way it is...

Not really. Backfire does essentially the same, altho BF's duration is always at 10s (and does more damage per trigger), which I did say that duration of this new VoR might have to be capped at about 15s. In fact if you count all attack skills and count all spells you will find out that spells outnumber attack skills. In other words, the scope of BF is bigger than the scope of the suggested skill. AND the scope of BF is far far bigger than the scope of the current skill. I am suggesting an elite BF for attacking things, nothing more, nothing overpowered about it.

Having an adrenal BF is pathtic to say the least, if I ever wanted to bother with countering adrenaline, I'd simply take Sympathtic Visage/Soothing Images, thank you very much. I don't need a clumsy elite to do that.

Plus all attacking things can simply do what all spellcasting things do when they get BF-ed- wait it out, heal up, use proto skills to cap the damage and simply keep attacking, or, of course, remove the hex... I betcha when BF 1st came on the scene people thought it was ridiculously overpowered. Yea right...

TeeGee · Sep 28, 2006, 08:08 PM // 20:08

I would never call Backfire overpowered, so elite, adrenal-only version of it cannot be too good.

If VoR would be overpowered with the buff Hella Good suggested, then BF would be something like old Energy Tap/Drain...

I sadly must agree that all NF mesmer elites need some buffing to see the game at all. Actually most Factions elites could use a buff or two too.

Former Ruling · Sep 29, 2006, 04:43 AM // 04:43

Elite Analysis:

Enchanter's Con.:
Weak anti-Dervish? Naw...dmg is ONLY if they arent under enchant?

Hex Eater Vortex:
Elite Shatter Hex - with alittle bit about removing enchants on it. Guess what? Guess what enchants it will hit? dervish ones that they WANT removed..so its effectiveness is that of Shatter Hex..

Power Flux:
Power Block LOOKS good too, but who uses it? Noone? Thats right.

Simple Theivery:
AT first I was WTF is this, get an attack skill or something? Then I thought...on a Caster, you are likely getting their rez sig!!! Which gives you two rez sigs and them none...Then thought, is rez sig taking worth an elite?

Visions of Regret:
Elite adrenaline backfire >_> It'll be taken off alot...

Symbols of In:
Worse than Boon of Signets >_> They are REALLY pushing signet builds with the mesmer, without giving them us real incentive to make all signet builds (the underpowered keystone, this...)

Air of Disenchantment:
An AoE (small AoE) Enchanters Con...without dmg, but it removes one enchant on end. WOW...not...see my review of Enchanters.

Extend conditions:
This would be HAX if Restore Condition, Extinguish, etc, etc didnt exist. But they do. So no.

Tease:
Ends if they hit you, and its touch range, so how hard is it >_> I dont get it.

Sig of Illusion:
Wow, alot of possibilities here, that I cant think of right now

Dragannia · Sep 29, 2006, 09:14 AM // 09:14

Reguarding Simple Thievery...

Is it possible to steal Victory or Death? Or Oath of Healing?

TeeGee · Sep 29, 2006, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Quote:

Reguarding Simple Thievery...

Is it possible to steal Victory or Death? Or Oath of Healing?

Nah, It's not possible to steal monster skills or even disable them in any way (diversion and stuff).

Dragannia · Sep 29, 2006, 11:30 AM // 11:30

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Originally Posted by TeeGee

Nah, It's not possible to steal monster skills or even disable them in any way (diversion and stuff).

I'm pretty sure you can Diversion "Base Defense." And Distracting Shot it.

Claudia Starlight · Sep 29, 2006, 12:22 PM // 12:22

I don't really see the usefulness of Simple Thievery... I mean, what if you steal totally random stuff like Res Sig or Sprint?

I think would be more useful to let it steal a spell/skill of your choice (think cap sig interface). Now that's sorta worthy of being considered an elite.

Think i'm gonna love web of disruption though

Avarre · Sep 29, 2006, 01:18 PM // 13:18

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Originally Posted by Dragannia

I'm pretty sure you can Diversion "Base Defense."

I'm pretty sure you're wrong.

Franco · Sep 29, 2006, 01:51 PM // 13:51

quote Power Flux:
Power Block LOOKS good too, but who uses it? Noone? Thats right. /quote

lol i need to tell my friend this, he thinks im noob because I use migraine and he is better because he uses power block :P

Hella Good · Sep 29, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

And in truth both are pathetic. :-p

Simple Thevery is worthless, because the skill you gain you can't do jack with. It's absolutely not worth the elite status. It is inferior to Arcane Thevery/Larceny. Now if you could use the skill at the attribute level your foe had it at, that could be interesting. Otherwise this elite is not even worth capping.

Xasew · Sep 29, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46

But Z0MG you can steal a Res Sig?!?!

Making a thief build would prolly be funny...
...but hardly effective.

Claudia Starlight · Sep 29, 2006, 10:11 PM // 22:11

is there any way to contact ANet and see if any changes can be made before the release of NF?

Hella Good · Sep 29, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Not directly. What happens is you complain a ton and then maybe, just maybe 6 months later they make some changes. I am very happy tho, least my Necro gets a load of 8 superb, and 2 above avg elites. I'll just do what I have been planning on doing for awhile now- cap/buy the new Me skills on my N, and get rid of my PvE Me. Unless they have some awesomely looking armor that I simply have to have.

Lady Lozza · Sep 30, 2006, 04:37 AM // 04:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franco

quote Power Flux:
Power Block LOOKS good too, but who uses it? Noone? Thats right. /quote

lol i need to tell my friend this, he thinks im noob because I use migraine and he is better because he uses power block :P

I am continually amazed by this forum.

After countless discussion on designing a build for a map area to get the most effect, people come up with things like this. I would think you a "noob" if you took migrane instead of powerblock into Perdition Rock or UW. Powerblock is godly when used in the RIGHT situations. Granted the maps where it is useful are limited, but they DO exist.